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Why is it in all our best interests to understand the long-term effects of childhood adversity?
To answer this question, our host Dr Johanna Lynch; a GP, enlists her trusted friend and colleague, Dr Cathy Kezelman AM; a medical practitioner and mental health consumer advocate, to the joint task of unpacking the popular book – ‘The Deepest Well: Healing the Long Term Effects of Childhood Adversity’ (2019) – by renowned pediatrician, Nadine Burke Harris.
Hear from Johanna and Cathy as they dive into ‘The Deepest Well’ revealing crucial insights into the ‘unseen epidemic’ of childhood adversity. Listeners will gain an understanding of the urgency and scale of this issue for clinicians; the role of awareness in medical funding and policy; and most importantly, the wealth of evidence backing Burke Harris’ key message that, in both the immediate aftermath and cumulatively following experiences of childhood adversity, the question is not ‘whether’ but rather ‘to what degree’ trauma takes its toll on us, our bodies, our health, and our lives.
Drawing on their combined professional experience in the area, Johanna and Cathy share their expertise in childhood adversity as an important context shaping their responses to ‘The Deepest Well’. Tune into Johanna and Cathy’s conversation and engage with them on multiple levels – as admirers of Burke Harris’ research, as mental health practitioners, and simply as readers of ‘The Deepest Well’ – to discover why, in their view, all practitioners should add this compelling book to their list of essential reads.
Dr Cathy Kezelman AM is a medical practitioner, mental health consumer advocate, President and Executive Director of Blue Knot Foundation National Centre of Excellence for Complex Trauma. She is past director of the Mental Health Coordinating Council (MHCC) and past member of the Mental Health Community Advisory Council (NSW).
Cathy worked in medical practice for 20 years, mostly as a GP. Under her stewardship, Blue Knot Foundation has grown from a peer support organisation to a National Centre of Excellence combining a prominent consumer voice with that of researchers, academics and clinicians advocating for socio-political trauma-informed change and informed responsiveness to complex trauma.Cathy is a prominent voice in the media and at conferences, as well as author of a memoir chronicling her journey of recovery from child sexual abuse: Innocence Revisited- a tale in parts. She is co-author of multiple seminal Blue Knot publications, guidelines and a range of other articles and publications.
On Australia Day 2015 Cathy was awarded an AM “for significant service to community health as a supporter and advocate for survivors of child abuse”. In 2021 Cathy was a winner of the 2021 Impact 25 Awards from Pro Bono Australia.
Johanna Lynch is a Brisbane General Practitioner of 25 years who has spent the last 15 years caring for adults who have survived childhood trauma and neglect. She teaches medical students, GPs and mental health clinicians, is president of the Australian Society for Psychological Medicine, and consults on domestic violence in her local community. She has recently turned her PhD into a book championing generalist research methodology and whole person clinical skills entitled: A Whole Person Approach to Wellbeing: Building Sense of Safety.
Access ‘The Deepest Well: Healing the Long Term Effects of Childhood Adversity’ (2019) here.
“What a privilege it was to chat with Cathy Kezelman in this Book Club episode. Cathy as inspired me and given me clinical courage through her tireless work advocating for understanding of the impact of trauma in our community. I chose to ask Cathy to read and discuss the book The Deepest Well: Healing the long term effects of childhood adversity because I thought it might encourage us both.
Nadine Burke-Harris is a US paediatrician who has successfully articulated the evidence for why all clinicians should know that childhood adversity directly impacts health. She tells her story through beautiful case examples. I first came across Nadine’s famous TED talk in 2015 when we integrated it into teaching GPs mental health skills through the Australian Society for Psychological Medicine. I now also use it to teach medical students about whole person care. Each time its presented, Nadine seems to ignite understanding in the listeners. The way she speaks increases respect for evidence that is often ignored. Personally as a GP who cares for adults who have survived childhood adversity, Nadine’s work emboldens me to speak out and research in this space.
I selected Nadine’s book to discuss with Cathy because we both share clinical experience as GPs, interest in the latest research, and a desire for a shift in paradigm in medicine that acknowledges the impact of life experience on health. I was pretty sure that Cathy hadn’t yet read Nadine’s book and I wanted to see her delight as she read it! What followed was a precious conversation.”
— Dr Johanna Lynch on her chosen text for Book Club.
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“I was delighted to be invited by Johanna to chat about ‘The Deepest Well”. this is both because Johanna is wonderful colleague who is moving mountains in a space I hold dear but also because Nadine Burke Harris is one of my heroes. To me, this was the planets aligning, with an opportunity to speak candidly about one of the biggest elephants in so many rooms, clinical and otherwise.
Nadine in her TED talk and now in this book has brought humanity, the rawness of personal experience and extensive research and clinical expertise around toxic stress from childhood into the public arena. The elephant is out in the light where it can be examined, thought about, and as Johanna and I have done, spoken about. We can no longer pretend that you can just get over the traumas of adverse childhood experiences, but we can work together to build a community of empathy, understanding and healing.”
— Dr Cathy Kezelman AM on this episode’s chosen text.
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Enjoyed this episode? To learn more…
WATCH
Dr Vincent Felitti: Reflections on the Adverse Childhood Experiences (ACE) Study
Nadine Burke Harris: How childhood trauma affects health across a lifetime
VISIT
The Australian Society for Psychological Medicine (ASPM)
READ
A Whole Person Approach to Wellbeing: Building Sense of Safety (2020) by Johanna Lynch.
Lynch, J. M., Kirkengen, A.L. (2019) Biology and Experience intertwined: trauma, neglect and physical health. In Benjamin,R., Haliburn, J., King, S (Eds) Humanising Mental Health in Australia: A Guide to Trauma-informed Approaches. Sydney: Routledge.
Lynch, J.M. Trauma-informed care in general practice (2021 in press) chapter in the RACGP White book: Abuse and Violence – Working with our patients in general practice. RACGP: Melbourne.
Lynch, J.M Sense of safety: a whole person approach to distress in primary care. PhD Thesis UQ conferred Sept 14 2019.
Innocence Revisited: A Tale in Parts (2010) by Cathy Kezelman.
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